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So why Feb 14th, my guess is that its a velentines gift to FSD purchasers giving them lifetime FSD on any new tesla and/or HW4 replacement on HW3 but who knows, but they have to do something for the people that paid for it, so I am guessing its that

Agreed. I would buy hw4 fsd. But can’t really justify hw3 $8k. Especially since it’s basically end of life.

I think we are fucked...

Yes of course. But I miss it.

HW3 FSD license to new HW4 vehicle $3k

Seems appropriate, since, as Elon admitted, it will never be FSD anyway

Yeah yeah. I call bullshit. I have looked and I have NEVER seen a vehicle with tied fsd on the used section. Which means they remove it.

How come, if FSD stays with the car, none of the cars on the Tesla Pre-Owned cars have it ? This kind of double standard is infuriating

I'd pay for that, until then........nope

But that is what I paid for.

Dude, I paid lots of money for this feature to work, and only recently has it even started to get close, the fact that I have to buy it twice and it still doesn't do what was sold is bullshit

So I used to have a 2017 Model S with FSD, had it since then, it really only started to work somewhat on v12.6.4, everything before that was kinds iffy. That car was totalled and I have a new 2020 Model S , HW3 and the 3 month FSD has just expired, so now my options are buy FSD for $8k and...

Yeah I know, my wife just does not listen to me when i talk about this stuff, so I need a place to rant !!

Yes, yes, yes, I was expecting that answer, but I really don't think it's like rewiring a human brain, you're stretching that a little. Tesla is a pretty good hardware company and I would imagine they have thought of this retrofit, I get that they DONT want to do it, but it could still be done...

Yes, paid upgrade to AI4 and AMD, please. I have a 2020 model S, and it does not look any different than a 2025 Model S, so I think it should be very possible to put the new HW in it., rather than buying a whole new car.

I wish I could buy HW4 for my car. Why can't we buy it?

I understand it has a cost; I've been training it for 9 years

I am on my 3rd Model S. 1st car was in 2016 Model S, got the FSD then, but the car was close to 100k, then did a 2k CPU upgrade to HW3 a few years later, slow progress, sold that car in 2019 and got a used Model S 2018, FSD would not transfer as I bought a certified car from TESLA ~50k, came...

I am begniing to think that because the majority of the training is from HW4 camera's, its just not backwards portable to HW3 effectively. I even think New cameras play a part in the older cars feeling like they are blind.

OK, I've tried and tried on my 2017 legacy Model S with HW3, but 12.6.3 is unusable, so I am giving up. I really hope this isn't that last version for this car. I would downgrade if I could. Bummers. Yes I have tried all the suggestions, cameras, etc...