- Aug 18, 2022
Tesla is the safest vehicle in the world and it's even safer when Autopilot has control.… Read More
I think, in the other story, its not even confirmed that FSD/AP was activated. The driver blamed it, of course. I've done this too when pulled over for speeding. "No officer, I wasn't driving, the car was and I guess it didn't see the change in speed limit." Got off without even an official warning -- cop just thought my car was cool. Regardless, all systems (including human brains) make mistakes. The fact that FSD/AP makes mistakes isn't important or interesting at all. All that matters is whether accidents and fatalities increase or decrease when these systems are used. Tesla's data specifically mentions autopilot, but not FSD. I wonder if this means that FSD doesn't have very impressive numbers?That's great news, and I hope my insurance premiums are adjusted appropriately based on this info.
Sad thing is - one incident of phantom braking 'causing' 8 cars to wreck rules the headlines instead. That's unfair for several reasons including leaving a safe distance to react to cars stopping in front of you. It's also annoying because it (first and foremost) absolutely shouldn't happen.
I'm not a fan of derailing threads immediately with negative posts but this discussion was bound to expand to include this other story.
Yeah, but there are only about twice as many accidents on local roads per mile driven vs highways. So, even if ALL AP miles were highway and ALL non-AP miles were non-highway (an extremely unrealistic assumption that would help your theory for explaining the difference), this wouldn't come close to explaining a 10x difference, or even the 3.5x difference between Teslas using vs not using autopilot. The more AP miles you think are non-highway (my entire commute is local roads and I'm on AP for 90% of that, every day) and the more non-AP miles you think are highway miles (most cars on the highway are not on AP), your point gets even weaker. It also wouldn't explain why the gap keeps widening as Tesla keeps rolling out updates.Autopilot is mostly going to be engaged on highways. Most accidents occur in parking lots, rural intersections, etc, when you won’t be using autopilot. That’s a much more plausible explanation than claiming it’s 10x safer to be driving with autopilot. Correlation is not causation.
I personally find it less stressful too just to drive myself in traffic than be on edge waiting for a phantom braking issue to appear.I've owned a Tesla for about 4 weeks now. Within these 4 weeks i had 2 phantom braking incidents. One happened with active autopilot, the other with active cruisecontrol only. In both cases it was an object to the front-left far ahead (incident 1 a left-turner that wasn't in my lane but in front of me, incident 2 was oncoming traffic in a right-bend that was situated to the front-left of the Tesla). The 8-vehicle tunnel crash looks quite like that too. So this is a real issue, i daresay reproducible, and not limited to FSD.
So yes, this bug should absolutely get fixed with highest priority, because nothing keeps people from using cruisecontrol / autopilot and running into the exact same situations frequently. I tell my wife (main driver of the car) to NOT use even cruise control outside of freeways, because of that.